Kelsey is a certified nutritional therapist who specializes in functional nutrition and gut health. She's been in the health and wellness industry for over 10 years.
In addition to helping people resolve gut health and food sensitivity issues using testing and supplements, she's a mental health advocate who is passionate about connecting people with resources and solutions to help them reduce their symptoms of anxiety and depression naturally, through diet and lifestyle. Also she's a cat lady.
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Nicole Holland 0:00
Hey there conscious creator, I'm your host Nicole Holland. Thanks for joining me for another episode where we're exploring how to do life more on your own terms through entrepreneurship and alignment. I believe that each and every one of us has the unlimited ability to create and experience a life full of passion, joy and abundance. Through this podcast, it's my intention that you will find inspiration to support you in stepping up and into your bigger vision. The Nicole Holland show is brought to you in part by Meaningful Mentorship, my dynamic experiential program for 30 to 50 something entrepreneurs who are ready to leave their current status quo behind and consciously create a more meaningful, fulfilling and Purpose Driven Life for themselves and their loved ones. To learn more visit MeaningfulMentorship.com. Please be mindful that this podcast is marked E for explicit because from time to time, we may use language or discuss topics that are not intended for little ears. And now, let's dive in to today's episode.
Nicole Holland 1:18
Hello, hello, welcome back to the show Nicole Holland here and today I'm super, super pleased to have my friend Kelsey ale join us for the Nicole Holland show. She's a certified nutritional therapist who specializes in functional nutrition and gut health and has been in the health and wellness industry for more than a decade. In addition to helping people resolve gut health and food sensitivity issues using testing and supplements. She's also a mental health advocate who is passionate about connecting people with resources and solutions to help them reduce symptoms of anxiety and depression naturally, through diet and lifestyle. She is also a proud cat lady just like yours truly. And I'm super We're excited to have our Hey, Kelsey.
Kelsey Ale 2:04
Hi, I'm so excited to be here. I'm happy we get to kind of hang out in real time. This is really fun.
Nicole Holland 2:11
Absolutely. It's like one of the wonders of the, the technology that weekend
Kelsey Ale 2:19
that we're all getting more familiar with now and the type of COVID Yes, yes, definitely.
Nicole Holland 2:24
And you are located in the Los Angeles area. Is that right?
Kelsey Ale 2:31
Yeah. I'm in Santa Monica. So that's like West Los Angeles right by the beach.
Nicole Holland 2:35
Very cool. And I am in Florida right now and I think it's hot in both places. Yeah. Are you in Florida? Vero Beach. Okay, that's right in the East Coast. Yeah, we've had a lot of rain lately.
Kelsey Ale 2:49
Mm hmm. humid,
Nicole Holland 2:51
very, very humid. Yes. My hair is like I keep thinking, Okay, I gotta finish doing it. But you It's just so it's so not agreeing with the Florida weather.
Kelsey Ale 3:04
So that's great for your skin but terrible for your hair.
Nicole Holland 3:08
Yes, for sure. All right, so let's, let's get chatting and what I really wanted to talk with you about spending because when I first contacted you this time about coming on the show, I already had this in mind, and it's so much more even relevant now. Now that like where we're at, so we're recording on the 11th of June 2020. So much is going on in the world right now, specifically in the United States. And without getting political. I would really love to talk with you today about how we collectively are in a space of enormous opportunity for both personal and professional growth, how reframing the messages that we're being bombarded with can help support how we move through these times with as much internal peace as possible and how you're Personally aligning more with who you are, and how you're showing up in the world. And I feel like and I could be wrong. So we'll get into this but I feel like that's a that is happening in large in a large way through the catalyst are in a in a very accelerated way. Because of kind of what's transpiring. So,
Kelsey Ale 4:23
yeah, Mm hmm. Yeah, awesome. 100% agree with that.
Nicole Holland 4:26
Cool. So so let's talk. Let's get started with like, just today, what's going on for you, like in these times?
Kelsey Ale 4:35
Um, yeah, I mean, I think the past few weeks have been pretty intense. And that is not it's like adding to the intensity of what I think my I was experiencing. And I think we have all been experiencing with COVID and feeling really isolated, disconnected, maybe a little bit scared, fearful, not knowing what resources to really look to and to trust and then not really Knowing what to do, I think I'm kind of I'm finding more of a subtle place with all of that. And I think it it's coming from a combination of factors. But yeah, so I'm feeling a little bit better, more settled today, I have a better idea of things that I'm going to be doing to move forward. Like in my business and for myself, personally, and so that's feeling really feeling good. And still, like, new.
Nicole Holland 5:26
Yeah, but I literally like you're reinvigorated. Yeah, yeah,
Kelsey Ale 5:31
I think that's kind of, for me the experience that I come to after I'm facing something hard, maybe going through something that's challenging for me personally, emotionally coming out on the other end, I always feel a little bit more resilient. Usually, even if I'm exhausted by learning, let's talk
Nicole Holland 5:49
about that. Yeah, because it is, I mean, for me as well, and I can speak just for me, but I also have spoken with a lot of other folks who I think are really going through that. That same emotional rollercoaster, where it's like, there's a lot of optimism and hope and expectation for things to be even better than they've ever been in so many ways in collectively in our world. And at the same time, it's, it's an exhausting time. And there's people who are out there telling you just push through it, you know, especially as a business owner getting all these messages of, if you don't, if you just take time off and let things happen, you're gonna fail, you know, and then there's the people who are like, if you as a business owner aren't, you know, saying this or doing that, then you're, you're a bad person, you know? And so there's all these different messages coming at and it is it's exhausting. I think people are, are overwhelmed by what do we do if we say nothing? If we don't do anything? If we don't adapt, then what is that say the perception of us and all this stuff. There's so much going on in Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit, both from a perspective of what you have found to help you personally get more in touch and come through that with with grace, as well as what you advise clients to do. Because this is a specialty of yours helping people with the anxiety and the depression. And we're going through all the fields right now.
Kelsey Ale 7:23
Yeah, I mean, I think one thing that's come up for me even in the last couple of days is really becoming aware of how often I was relying on external validation to tell me whether what I was doing was right or wrong or in alignment or not. And I think especially like in the current political climate and trying to stay educated, trying to really understand what's going on in the world around me. What I've realized is there are always going to be people with contradicting opinions on both sides and it's one of those damned if you do damned if you don't kind of situations and I think it's the same for health and wellness. As it is for, you know, navigating the world around us, you really have to start to get in touch with what feels right for you, in your own life, in your own body, and navigate from that place. And I think that for a lot of us that requires kind of acknowledging and facing any underlying fears or insecurities we have around rejection or making mistakes or being wrong. And again, like, like you're saying, I can only speak for myself, but like me, getting over this idea that I have to do it perfectly has been really helpful. There is no perfect way to do a thing. You have to iterate first to be able to reiterate. And it is really I think, in a lot of ways about exploring different resources to see what works best. And then using that information and that kind of internal compass to move forward and decide your next steps. So, so good, yeah.
Nicole Holland 9:01
For sure, I think that's a really key piece. Well, quite a few of those things you just said are. But that external validation I think we all seek it, especially when our businesses or our lives revolve, especially like, I mean, let's talk businesses because I don't even remember what it's like to be a normal person. Oh, yeah. No. Entrepreneurs 24 seven, like, they go back into the real world and I'm like, mm and understand what they're saying. Yeah.
So and, and being somebody who like you much of my, my professional marketing my it's like social media, but personally, it exhausts me like I don't like being on social media. Quite frankly, I would rather be a hermit up on a mountain somewhere like I'm actively in process of transitioning to a nomadic life and I look forward to having an RV Or I can just like be with human beings for a while, and then disappear and boondock for a couple weeks. Yeah. How number one, can we if somebody isn't aware that they are seeking external validation? What is a clue? If somebody is feeling really crap and they're feeling anxiety, they're feeling overwhelmed and they don't know what to do about it. A lot of times it does have to do with that inner fear and that need for or desire for external validation. How can somebody who isn't aware that that's what's going on become aware that that's an issue they've got?
Kelsey Ale 10:43
Yeah, I mean, I think everything that you just listed as far as feeling insecure and overwhelmed, those in my mind at this point are all potential symptoms of seeking external validation and the implications of seeking external validation are that you're disconnected from yourself. And your own needs. And for lack of a better term, like, the authentic experience that you're having. And maybe you're trying to mirror someone around you, but it's not quite in alignment with the reality of your experience, or you're being told by one faction that you should be feeling or doing or saying a certain thing, and it's not in alignment with what's real for you. Um, so I would say, anytime you're feeling insecure, overwhelmed, super anxious, like frustrated, if you're having, you know, if you're on that emotional roller coaster, and you don't know why, or what's happening, I would just assume that it's because you're disconnected from yourself. And in that sense, like you're seeking this external validation or you're trying to match up with the world that's outside of you without taking into consideration like what's going on inside of you. So yeah, I mean, I have like ideas for moving forward through that. Yeah. So for me, like I did a training which was a really valuable training and it was based on somatic trauma therapy. One of the very first exercises that we ever learned is called orienting. And so I try to take this into consideration. Anytime I'm noticing myself because it's like, it's one of those things that just because you know, that's what's happening, it doesn't mean you don't experience it. So it's like I get the overwhelm. I am on the emotional rollercoaster, I have the anxiety. I just have the level of awareness and the practice of identifying it as what it is at this point. And so when I noticed that what the first thing I do is I try to feel my feet, which is a really, maybe seemingly random thing, but it's like if you're so in your head, and you're so out here, what is one simple way you can start to connect with yourself? It might be feeling your feet on the ground, it might be noticing your hips in the chair if you're sitting
Nicole Holland 12:48
to before Yeah, and yeah, before we go further into this for anybody who this is like what you feel your feet Yeah,
notice your hips like because I remember back right now even think of like had forgotten so much of this stuff. When I was a correctional officer, I'd gotten so far away from the woowoo holistic healthcare background I had.
So what does this mean to feel your feet? Like, what's something that somebody if they're, if they're feeling overwhelmed, I know that you can in an instant, get back to grounding, but actually break that down? What is feeling feet?
Kelsey Ale 13:23
Yeah. What does it mean to feel your feet? Well, first of all, do you have feet? Maybe that's a question you can start with asking yourself that's like a little bit farther out and then zooming closer in like, do you have feet? Okay, where are your feet? right now. My foot, my left foot is on the bar of the chair that I'm sitting on my right leg is crossed. So my right foot is kind of in the air. And then just starting to notice maybe the difference, like one my left foot is touching a bar, my right foot is floating in the air. Those kind of feel a little bit different. And then if you want to go deeper, you can start to notice the question of the difference, you know, my left foot is resting on a bar. So I feel a little bit more pressure on the left ball of my foot. And my right foot kind of feels like it's hanging out. And it's like, there's not really much pressure. I'm not more aware of one part of the foot than I am. The other part of the other foot you can start to play around with trying to feel your pinky toe or feel your big toe so you can go you like you can go as wide or as narrow as you want to with it
Nicole Holland 14:28
would would you almost like just have that recognition of where I know when I as you were talking right now? Oh, my feet. I don't like where they're at right now. I put them solid on the ground. Nice. So I like to ask myself, what would be better? If I'm feeling it? I'm like, Oh, that's weird. Like, oh, what would I like it to feel like
Kelsey Ale 14:45
totally just shift that. I love it. Yeah, that's exactly I mean, that's kind of the thing that the whole exercise is intended to help you get in touch with like, Are you comfortable? Are you not comfortable? Is this what you want? If it's not what you want, how can you change it? So it is almost like It's like a really simple exercise that you can take really meta in life. But again, I think like just making small adjustments, like the position of your feet, is you reminding your body like, Hey, I'm on your side, hey, I'm connected. I'm in touch with you. And it's kind of like, I don't I don't like I feel like there's so many like, like, new spiritual, like we would things, but I'm like, Oh, it's like you're coming back to yourself. So
Nicole Holland 15:26
I feel like also just an exercise like this. It allows you to get in control of something. I feel like when we're spinning out in or overwhelmed. It's like, Oh,
yeah, no, and I've been going through that a lot too. And then being aware and able to go, Okay. Let's just hang out like, wait, this doesn't feel good. And then going to feel your feet or anything else. It's like, okay, now your focus there. And when you put your focus there, you can't focus on two things at once. Right. So as long as you're focused, you can't spin out is that where they I didn't mean to like, Hi, no, I love everything.
Kelsey Ale 16:03
Everything you're saying I love. I feel like you're just you're explaining it for me. Like, I, I think it's
Nicole Holland 16:08
Yeah. And I think that's a beautiful thing too is in this awareness because here's something I really struggled with for forever. And if I'm not aware, I still do I tell myself the story. I don't know how to meditate. I'm terrible at meditating. But essentially, this is a form of a form or a way to meditate, because you're putting all your attention down on that one thing, right?
Kelsey Ale 16:32
Mm hmm. Totally. Yeah, yes, exactly. And I love that concept that you brought up of like, Oh, yeah, it helps remind you that you do have control. And I think that is like you have control you have a choice. And when we are in this place of like, Oh, I'm trying to get external validation and this and this and this, you don't have any control over what's going on out here. And so exactly what you said like bringing it back what you can control and what like in your immediate environment. You can have influence And silver, that helps you figure out how can I make myself more comfortable? What do I need to do to move forward just in this moment from where I am right now? Beat in the chair, put your feet on the floor, you know where you are?
Nicole Holland 17:12
And then how do you take it from there. So I thank you again for, for lack of a better term dumbing it down so that we all can understand. Because sometimes we get like when we know stuff, so well we get into that expert Curse of like talking about things and people check out and I think who you are Kelsey, what you do, what you stand for, and the way you the way you connect with people and help them is so incredibly special and powerful. And so I want to just make sure people like we're not talking in a place that doesn't make sense because I think everybody totally needs a dose of you and I hope that it's what is your insta all that just while we're in this? Oh, @TheKelseyAle I just like it. Yeah. Like it sounds and so Okay, so once we are more aware that, that we're having issues with that fear or external validation or whatever, what would you say is a tangible thing that we can do to shift from how we're being and how we're allowing the external validation to control us on a larger on a on a more day to day meaningful plane than just, you know, physically being grounded for the moment? Like, how do we keep that momentum?
Kelsey Ale 18:36
Yeah, I mean, I think that's tricky because I think that there is no constant state to be in. So like using some form of like grounding, whether it's meditation, whether it's feeling your feet, whether you exercise, like I think that's a good pattern interrupt, and it's a good tool to use to kind of break the loop if you're in like a stress cycle. But from there, it's kind of it's about, it's up to you to figure out how to really get into touch with your own needs. But again, for myself personally, I know when I'm in a loop, and then I do something to interrupt the pattern, I'm usually going to need to do some sort of self care around that or after that to kind of get back into a sort of flow. So for me, that's like, do I need to rest? Do I need to take a digital detox? Oh, my God, I'm, I've been loving the strategy of setting a timer on my phone for like, one or two hours. And I just know if I pick up my phone, I see the timer going on, like, Oh, I can't, I can't be on social media right now. Because it is. So I get so absent minded. I just like pick it up. I'm like, what's on Instagram, what's on email, and it's like, you know what, I can take two hours off, and it's better for my mental health. And I actually start to think more clearly and have more clarity and to get more done in those two hours to so I do a little bit of self care routine. I also am a huge fan of lists. And that's another way that I manage my own anxiety and stay organized within my business is just doing brain dumps. It's like, it's not quite journaling, but it's like what are all the things that are like flying through my head that I think I have to do? Let me just write each one of them. Don't ever single one, like when I make a daily to do list I write wake up, you breakfast. It's like all of the potential things that could be taking up energy, and just creating more nervous tension in your system, just do a brain dump, get it out on paper. And once you get it out in front of you, what I found is you can more easily prioritize, you can see like, what actually is an urgent need, what you can do in two seconds and just get it done and get it off your plate. What are things that maybe you don't actually have to worry about and you can delegate to someone else, whether that's in your personal life, someone else can do the grocery shopping today, or, you know, in business, somebody else can write these emails kind of thing. I like that kind of brain dump to get it out and then be able to figure out what actually means my energy and attention and focus on that.
Nicole Holland 20:44
I love it. I'm a big list person too. I find though when I have in the past, made lists and then tried to go back to them. That will give me anxiety sometimes. So a lot of times like even with my clients Now I'll say stop looking for what was stop looking for. And even with I've created so much content, the same content over and over and over. And it's always the same. When I get in that space of, Okay, I know I have it somewhere, let me go through all my digital files and find it. And then it's like that energetically, just take so much from me. And so I find, once I've got it down, if it's really important, and it's really like meant for me, and what I really want to do, I'll do it without going back and trying to find what was done. I'll just go, Hey, well, I'm really inspired. So let's start fresh. And I find personally for me, that's really helpful. And with my clients, it is so much more impactful in what they create from that space of inspiration and momentum. As opposed to going back to the old stuff. I actually, just the other day I'm working with a client on launching a podcast, and she had all this stuff because she's been doing her brand for years. Like she's an expert. She's got all the things she had this my But like all her different things, like okay, let's now that we've looked at that, let's put it beside. And let me just ask you some questions, we're going to free flow here. And within 20 minutes we had her year, basically mapped out for what she's going to put into podcasts. So big fan of lists as well. And also something I like to do on my personal lists of businesses is I'll have it I use whiteboards to have like these little, you know, dollar store whiteboards, and I've got different ones for different things. And I've got one that says, Well, what I love to do today what would feel really good, and then I'll move like three things from my bigger to do just put it on there. And then I've also got one, I found that if I don't fit, I will still get into the oh my gosh, there's all this stuff. If I don't say also what I love to do, but that can wait till tomorrow, and then I put something up there too. So personally for me that's been really helpful in in managing my list
Kelsey Ale 23:00
Oh, yeah, I love that. I mean, I do think that for me a huge part of like getting the stuff out into a list is to get it out of my brain. And then it frees up all the energy like you're saying to identify this stuff, like what would actually feel really fulfilling right now? And I have stuff on lists that I'm like, okay, like crossed off these three things, and the rest of the stuff doesn't really matter. So you just throw those? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that thing.
Nicole Holland 23:28
It's like, if it matters, it'll come back. You know, it'll be like, Oh, right. Hey, yeah. Oh, wait, it's, I didn't do that. But you know, what I find when that happens is efforting to get something done that doesn't feel inspired. Even if I get it done. It's never as good as it would be if I just waited. So that's what I've been like feeling into more and more over these last years, and especially over these last months, is giving myself a break. And I think that's a big message that you have like, Hey, you don't really have to Do anything Hey, you can actually, yeah, so let's talk a little bit more about that, in terms of you touched on before about how there's different sides to every side. I mean, I find it like goes so deep you can't even find the end of it. It's like it's for or against black or a white, up or down. It's like there's this you know, this or that. And I am very binary thing binary. Thank you. And yes, all I've never been able to think like that. Never in my life, I've always seen Shades of Grey. And in these times, it's like I'm what I'm seeing what I'm finding is a lot of people are choosing a left or a right to one or two. And then it's like in there. There's all these other messages and it's like, just why like Yeah, so how Yeah, give me what you got.
Kelsey Ale 25:03
Oh god yeah, navigating, navigating the gray area? Um, I think it's really hard. And I think that's something that I'm it's not it's not hard necessarily, but it's challenging because I think ultimately at the end of the day when we can embrace it, it feels a lot better for our system is because the reality of the world we live in, is not yes or no, you know, one side or the other A or B, like we live in the gray area. And I think for marketing purposes, and for system purposes and society purposes, it's easier to categorize things as one or two. But when you can kind of relax into it a little bit and understand that like, everyone has their own sense of validity to their points. And again, I think it comes back to being in touch with yourself and what really resonates with you, and even when you get into that camp, so let's say you're choosing a one or zero, right so we're like we're binary thinking I'm gonna choose zero I get into zero and then there are 500 other options and every option within their like their their own factions. It's really about feeling into what you need in that moment and what feels right to you to move forward toward that thing you need. And I don't know how to be more clear than that, because I think it's still something that I'm learning to navigate. But maybe we'll take business, for example. Because I've been building a business for the past, like, six years or so like the brand and the company that I'm working on right now. And up until this point, I've been trying to do things that the big names and faces in business say you do this and kind of like, what you were saying, like, Oh, you gotta show up every day, or else you're slacking and your business is gonna fail. And you have to do X, Y, and Z, or else you're going to be a failure. You have to, like, act a certain way and appeal to a certain audience. And I think I personally, even just in the last few months to a year have gotten really burned out by that. And it's made me feel almost resentful of my business. And I think that it doesn't just have to be a business. It's anything that you've been acquiescing to, that isn't in alignment with what You really need or want in life. And so I'm in a place of figuring out like, Okay, well, you know, I don't just want to like, throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't want to get rid of everything. I don't need to burn it all down and then start over. But how do I start to make small shifts so that I can be more in alignment with myself and what I need and still live in a world that is somewhat divided and somewhat binary? And how do I navigate those categories? Like it's, I think, again, at the end of the day, it's about trying to learn my own process for internal validation. And to get know that I'm not always gonna get it right. Sometimes I'm gonna make mistakes. Sometimes I'm going to try stuff that I'm like, Oh, I don't like that. But now I know that about that. So I can kind of move on in a different direction and explore and you kind of like weave the quilt as you go along. So maybe that's helpful.
Nicole Holland 27:46
Maybe it's no i love it and I find the same. I feel like and I know it's not just us, I you know, when people are getting the messages and especially it hurts my heart so much, especially with newbie entrepreneurs because I was there, right when I quit the job. And I was like, all right, I know how to be a coach. I was a coach for years. I know how to do marketing, marketing for years. But I didn't know this whole online world. And I also believe people, I guess it's it's kind of maybe I'm weird, but I don't I think that a lot of people trust, you know, you see the big name or you get this marketing, even if you don't know their big name, if they're the only ones, you know, right. Like when I got on these lists I didn't want to list was, but I'd signed up for something, you know, and then all of a sudden, I started getting these messages. It's like, OMG, she's talking to me. Yes, yes. And then I'm like, here's my money. Absolutely. You're telling me that you're going to help me do this. That's what I'm looking for. Of course, I'm happy to pay you right. And then turns out that person wasn't an integrity or maybe I wasn't the right fit for them. And so then I find like, wait a minute, I thought you were going to help me and I feel lost and I feel stressed and I feel upset. And I mean, that's really the catalyst for how my whole brand blew up because I got tired of not only investing in people who were saying I can help you, because I didn't, I didn't know the online space back then. And now it's crazier than ever with people who are not in integrity, but they have the marketing budget, or they have the partners or whatever, there's all these incest to as, you know, tricks. I was just seeing something last night that just I'm like, get me off of Facebook, where it's like these trades of, Hey, I'm gonna do this for you and you do this for me, we're gonna swap and we're gonna blow it you know, and I'm just like, please. So anyways, where was I going with that? Just the whole idea of the messaging of you need to you need to you need to I know, I care. It's, it's really hard. I think when we're coming from a space of desire, and we want to, we want to have control. We want to create something. We want to help the world in some way. And we know we can. And then we get this, like, the more the bigger messages and also the free messages because yeah, you know, that's that's what your budget can allow and get sucked in. And it is I think everybody that I know of, even if they don't talk about it, who has reached a certain level of success, where they are very respected in their industries has gone through that where they've gotten sucked in and where they struggled. They didn't make any money for a while me included, like, it's hard, right? And then you come to that point in time, hopefully, where you do recognize,
Kelsey Ale 30:42
okay, I've been trying to do this. I've been trying to do that in these things, even though I'm doing all the things right. I feel like I'm doing it all wrong. And then it's like this. And I think that I mean, I think what you just said is exactly the issue that we run into is that we want to believe that there's a right way Do something. And I think everyone like we want to believe that as the entrepreneurs, the people who are our clients, and customers want to believe that and I think we have been raised in a society that tells us there is a right way and a wrong way. And, and yeah, and I think that's, it's hard and it's kind of shitty and scary. But you know, at the end of the day, there is no right way. And even the people who have made it to major levels of success have had to iterate and kind of figure out their own path. And people who've been successful multiple times over, they're still kind of figuring things out and tweaking and adjusting as they go along. And maybe there are foundational elements that are consistent through the levels of success, like probably you need a website. Probably having a mailing list is helpful. But then it's like the house and the ins and the outs and how you communicate with those people what you offer on your website, what your styling and your branding is like there is no right answer for that. Fortunately, or unfortunately.
Nicole Holland 31:58
Well, and I have to I like it. You completely and I just want to say I do think there actually is a right answer. And I but I don't. I don't know that people recognize it and you you know it because is what you're doing for personally for me and what I want to share more on this podcast and, and the reason that I took a break from this podcast because I was feeling overwhelmed by it as well and all the things that I had to do and I recognized, I already have an audience rather than starting a new one. My whole philosophy is be more you, right? So the more true to who you are, the more in alignment you are, that's the right way and no matter what somebody else tells you about what you should do because it worked for them does not mean that it's going to work for you. It may. It may not but I think when we trust our inner guidance, more and more and more, and we do these things like you were saying and inquiry of you know, allowing yourself to evolve and do things your way. I feel like that's The only right way, I feel like the other information is good information and guidance, and you can pick and choose and get support. But at the end of the day, I mean, just going back to initially when I did my my coaching, training and certification, it's like revealing the client to themselves is one of the core principles of coaching. It's not about telling people what they should do, it's helping them recognize their own greatness.
Kelsey Ale 33:27
Mm hmm. Totally. Yeah. And 100% agree. And there's a saying that I love that is take the best and leave the rest. And I think it's like you can look at all of these people who are telling you they have the right way. And maybe you like one one element from here you like three things from over here. You like this style right here, but it is like you're saying you can bring it together to create your own unique voice.
Nicole Holland 33:47
Yes. And I just want to really celebrate you doing that. That's what I've observed for you over the last year ish and it's just really fun to to watch your journey and I mean, you're so You're so talented and you're so heart centered and oh my gosh, I eat well when I follow your guidance. I wouldn't love it if, because we are running out of time. Although I'd love to talk with you all day to share with my listeners, how they can follow up with you what you want them to do after they've listened and been like, oh, Nicole has been talking a lot. I want to hear more of Kelsey.
Kelsey Ale 34:26
Oh, yeah, of course. No worries. Um, so I am more active on Instagram than I am on Facebook. But you can find me either place by searching TheKelseyAle. Or you can just email me at [email protected] And that goes to my personal inbox, and I'm happy to chat if you have questions about anything. I love being asked questions, especially because if one person asks you can guarantee that like 50 to 100 other people have the exact same question. So it's nice for me to get a chance to think through it and then I can share the answers with everybody because everyone will benefit from it,
Nicole Holland 35:00
and you do have a few ways that you help people professionally. Can you mention what those are? I
Kelsey Ale 35:07
do I work one on one with clients doing food sensitivity and gut health testing. I do blood chemistry panels, and I develop protocols to help people resolve underlying health issues. I'm leaning more into the mental health and wellness space currently, but that's like a new brand that I'm setting up. So that's still in iteration. But yeah, mostly it's like the gut health stuff. I'm actually building out a 12 week digital program that's self paced right now. So that'll be in beta and next month, and I'm really excited about that.
Nicole Holland 35:35
Very nice. And you also have cookbooks and I do Yes, I have lots of
Kelsey Ale 35:41
books. You can find those on Facebook. You can find those on my website, which is being re I'm rebranding right now, so hopefully that'll be live by the time this this airs. So you can check it out at healthy ale calm and just get the whole load down and shoot me a message and we can chat.
Nicole Holland 35:59
Perfect. Thank you. You so much.
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